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Is there any proof that Japan was going to surrender before the bombings? -

some people say that Japan was going to surrender before the second bomb, is it true?

Of course not. When the bombs hit is when they said no mas-no mas. They couldn t anyway. All the cell phone towers were gone.

I don t know the exact answer to that but I would say that there is a good possibility. There is debate on just how much influence the dropping of the atomic bombs had on Japan s eventual surrender. Most likely it was the Soviet declaration of war and Japan s subsequent defeat in China which lead to their surrender.

yes and no the japanese politicians wanted to surrender but the military refused after the First bomb was dropped they were given a second chance and still refused the rest is history

Some people like to believe its true. The Japanese would have made a negotiated peace, but the allies (including the Soviet Union) were clear as late as the Potsdam conference of 1945 that total and unconditional surrender was the only option. The primary reason for this goes back to the First World War. In that war, the allies only occupied small portion of Western Germany. Hitler and other right wing leaders used the quot;stabbed in the backquot; theory to built support. This theory proposes that Germany was never conquered and therefore did not loose the war. Rather, Jews, communists, and other traitors sold out Germany because they did not have the will to see the war through to victory. This argument is not uniquely German. Southerners attempted to use a similar argument after the Civil War called quot;The Lost Causequot;. Many American historians felt it did not gain as much traction in the South because, for one, Union Troops overran and occupied the South. For another, General Grant initiated unconditional surrender policies during his campaigns. Aware of this, President Roosevelt issued the quot;Unconditional Surrenderquot; policy at the Casablanca conference of 1943. He wanted the people of Germany, Japan, and Italy to realize in no uncertain terms that they lost. The communications through so that any negotiated settlement that the Japanese government would have accepted would have left Japan s homeland unoccupied, most of its officials unpunished, and it s governmental structure essentially unchanged. Based on lessons of the past, this was unacceptable to the allies. Americans and other allies could rightly see Japan rebuilding and coming back for a second round in 20 years time. One of Japan s core cultural beliefs was that the homeland had never been conquered or occupied. In our cynical age, it is hard for us to comprehend how important this was to the Japanese self-identity. From an early age, they were raised with poems, songs, and imagery of the Japanese as an unconquered people. The allies could see the Japanese leadership use that core belief. They would say that Japan had lost battles, but once again, the enemy had been stopped at the gates of the home land by divine intervention and the sacrifice of the people...blah...blah...blah. The allies wanted unconditional surrender. You have to understand what that means. It means that they would have to rights. The allies were saying they could with the Japanese nation what they will. From the hindsight view of 60 plus years, we know that Japanese were actually treated pretty good. They didn t know that only American troops would occupy them. A small British and Commonwealth contingent also occupied small areas. They didn t know that the occupation would be generally benign. They knew other things though. They knew that even before Pearl Harbor, Americans had very tough anti-Chinese, anti-Japanese, and general anti-Asian race laws. California may have been more liberal than most in how they treated African Americans, but they made up for it by how they treated Asians. Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, and South Africans were about the same. And as I said, this was before the war. The Japanese knew that they had not signed the Geneva convention on prisoners of war. They had tortured, starved, and executed American, British, Australian, Canadian, and other allied prisoners. They had used them as slave labor. These incidents were well known by the allied home fronts. They were crying for blood. Also remember, that the Chinese were part of the allies as well. China was Japan s traditional enemy. Surrendering to and being occupied by China would have been unthinkable enough. However, for over a decade, the Japanese had brutally occupied huge sections of China. They murdered millions. Without organized death camps, the Japanese killed more people in China than Hitler did in Eastern Europe. They didn t even bother taking Chinese soldiers prisoner. They shot most of them on sight. The thought of Chinese troops occupying them would have caused some nightmares. Many Allies, specially the Australians, wanted the Emperor removed, tried, and hung as a war criminal. The Emperor was not just a monarch. He was a religious leader. They believed with religious certainty that he was the descendant of goddess. The closest thing that would describe him is the fictional descendant of Christ from the Da Vinci code. Except for possibly the Pharaohs, no monarch anywhere in the wold came close to the religious significance. Even the Dai Lama would not compare. The idea of the Anglo-Americans hanging the Emperor would have been like Muslims hanging the Pope in the year 1000. Millions would have willing died to prevent that. For the Japanese, it was not a quot;die on your feet or live on your kneesquot; situation. From their point of view, it was a quot;die on your feet or die on your kneesquot; situ

The Japanese military, although they were devastated by the first bomb, generally held to the belief that perhaps the U.S. only had the one bomb, and therefore were not planning surrender. The dropping of the second proved otherwise, and that quickly ended the war. Some criticize the U.S. for dropping the second, but without doing so the long-term military impact of the first would have been small. it was the threat of more bombs which neded the war.

No, completely false. The bombings were 3 days apart, with announcements from President Truman threatening another attack and The Soviet Union declaring war on Japan the day of the dropping of quot;Fat Manquot; (12:02 A.M.). The Japanese were implementing martial law on the cities in order to stop anyone that was trying to make peace.

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